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95 - Make Life More Exciting Than Food

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This week, we’re posing a question to you that cannot be overlooked if you want to finally stop hyper-focusing on food all day and begin fully living out the other areas and roles of your life. And that is: is food a source of joy or fuel for you?


For us personally, making the shift in our protocols to focus more on nutrient-dense foods and satiety has been an absolute game-changer. The common mistake of making extreme changes in your current diet is rarely sustainable, and we’re offering how this actually blinds you from seeing what’s really going on under the surface. 


If you want food to stop being the number one focus of your everyday life, to get more acquainted with your body, and make life more exciting than food, listen in this week. We’re discussing the differences between eating to lose weight and eating to be healthy, how you can begin deconditioning your urges, and how we have implemented a gradual change in our ways of eating. 


If you’re ready to take your weight loss to the next level, come check out my coaching program, Vibe Club. If you want to lose your weight for good and in a completely different and more sustainable way, click here. The price is going up soon, so if you join now, you’ll lock in the current pricing for as long as you stay a member!


What You’ll Learn from this Episode:

  • The importance of deliberately choosing what to manage your brain around.
  • How your desires and urges can be de-conditioned.
  • The ideal goal to work towards when you're starting to change your way of eating.
  • Why making extreme changes to your protocol is a disservice to yourself.
  • The truth about the effect food has on your brain.
  • The differences between eating to lose weight and eating to feel healthy.

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Ryan: Happy Friday.

Maggie: Happy Friday.

Ryan: How’s it going today?

Maggie: So good.

Ryan: What did you learn on TikTok this week?

Maggie: Ryan, this is the problem with this, dude. I have legit memory issues.

Ryan: Well, and also your for you page is just comedy.

Maggie: It’s not just, I mean I actually have been learning some stuff I guess. But yeah, it’s funny, what I think is cool is that it morphs into what’s your current jam. What are you worried about?

Ryan: You watch one full length video of something that’s not normal.

Maggie: And then it’s like you like that?

Ryan: Yeah, yeah.

Maggie: Okay. For the most part, my brain just doesn’t retain information super well. And that is what it is. But now I’m dying to know, what did you learn on TikTok since you’re obviously watching it with the intent to store it away or your memory just works better than mine does?

Ryan: Well, what I learned on TikTok this week I think it relates to what we’re going to talk about. So sometimes you consume information that you’ve heard a million times. And then the millionth time it just hits you a little different.

Maggie: I feel like that, you know how sometimes I’ll say something, I’ll be like, “Dude.” I have been saying that, you always told me that kind of stuff. This is one of those situations where I kind of feel like I have been saying that. You see all these people, they’re like, “It just doesn’t matter.” I know you’re going to get into what it is. But then all of a sudden you hear one person say it one specific way and you’re like, “Wait, that makes so much sense.” And it’s a reason that feels really good to you and you’re like, “That’s enough of a reason for me to change something.”

Ryan: Yes, yes. So, this guy was explaining how, he was talking about Doritos specifically.

Maggie: God, I love Doritos.

Ryan: Yeah, Doritos are great but he said, he was talking about how you pay the grocery store six bucks for a bag of Doritos and it’s a big bag of nothing. It’s designed to make you feel like a whole bag is a single serving. And it’s designed to make you want to eat more, and more, and more. And it has real no nutritious value. And he was talking about Doritos specifically in this clip. But I think what he was referencing any food with no nutritional value.

Maggie: Just all the food in the middle of the grocery store.

Ryan: It’s manufactured and designed to make you want more. And it doesn’t do anything for you. And I think what I was doing was – I wasn’t eating Doritos specifically but I was eating a lot of foods like that.

Maggie: Yeah, they’re hyper palatable.

Ryan: Yes.

Maggie: I know I’m not a brain scientist but my guess would be that in some way there’s some similarity to the fact where your brain has these feelings of that tastes so good. I want more of it. Where it’s not real sugar. But it’s something about it, it has the same general effects.

Ryan: Basically, this single clip made me reevaluate my entire eating protocol.

Maggie: Well, and I think the other interesting thing that he says in it is he’s like, “Add a dollar and go get yourself a pound of grass fed beef.” And so that’s also funny to me because cheap food is cheapish but not when you add it all up. And so many people complain about the cost of eating well when there’s not much of a difference when it comes down to…

Ryan: When you compare the cost of cheap food to what a serving is, is cheap but you don’t eat just a serving of it. It’s designed to make you want more.

Maggie: I get angry at a single serving size of Doritos.

Ryan: It’ll make you so mad.

Maggie: And it’s because of the hyper palatability. It’s like you eat it and this is so good, this is so Good. You don’t feel like anything’s happening. Because we were talking – he sent me a message when he was in the car and we had a little roll of Ritz Bits crackers.

Ryan: 13 Ritz crackers.

Maggie: Yeah. They’re not Ritz Bits, just the normal Ritz crackers, the ones in the tan…

Ryan: Just plain salt Ritz crackers, 13 of them.

Maggie: You could literally smash five of those without even blinking. But this was just for one and he’s like, “How many calories do you think this has?” And I looked it up because I was in the kitchen, it had 220 calories four of those. And he’s like, “Compare what”, even put it into healthy food, you either eat 220 calories in Ritz or 220 calories of what, eggs and I don’t know.

Ryan: Greek yoghurt.

Maggie: Yeah. And what that would do for your stomach, for your actual hunger signals. What it would do for the satiation factor.

Ryan: It’s like eating those Ritz crackers is almost like eating air to me. It does nothing. And what’s the price that I pay for it? More than what it’s worth because it does nothing for my stomach.

Maggie: Because it’s not helping with food. It’s helping, it just kind of helps your emotional eating. It’s a crutch of snacking and you keep going, you keep going. But you don’t ever eat it. And you’re like, “That’s better. Now I’m good for another three to four hours, three to five hours.”

Ryan: No, I’m good for another 10 minutes.

Maggie: 10 minutes and then it’s the next snack or more of the previous snack.

Ryan: So, what I’ve done is I have completely cut out all that bullshit. Anything that I know isn’t going to help keep me satiated or it’s going to make me want more, I’ve just stopped eating all of it. I stopped eating treats at night. I stopped eating chips, snacks, bars. I don’t eat them. This whole entire week I haven’t eaten them at all. And instead, I’ve just tried to focus on protein. I eat 30 grams of protein at least every time I eat. And I cannot tell you how much easier my protocol has been.

Maggie: Yeah. And what I like is that you’re not, “I don’t keep them in the house because I’m scared of them.” So many people are like, “I don’t keep it in the house because once I start.” And I’m not saying that the same kind of things don’t happen. But most people keep that stuff out and don’t eat it because they’re terrified of it. Whereas I love the idea that it’s just like, I know what I’m opening myself up to if I start eating that. I’m not going to feel full. I am going to want more.

And sometimes, there have been multiple times in the past where I have weighed out eating keto treats. And I’m like, okay, especially I pay attention to if before I even eat it I’m like I know one won’t be enough. Then I know that I’m trying to solve an emotional problem. And so, what you’re doing is you know that you’re not going to want just one Choczero. You know that. You know that you’re going to want four. So, you either start with the one and then just perpetuate this fact of I knew this wasn’t going to be enough. I need more, more, more.

I really only like to eat keto treats when I feel like I’m in a good frame of mine and I’m just like one will be fine. I’m not scared of it. I just know whether or not I want to open myself up to that. And I think it’s important to know that you get to choose what you do work on. And you could do the work on I’m just going to have one bar. That’s what we’ve talked about a lot this week. You could totally do that and you could manage your mind around stopping yourself. But my guess is that you’ll probably have other stuff that you would rather manage your mind around.

And you’re like, I don’t really want to focus on managing bars. I just want to focus on, and what you did instead was you added in something else that was more beneficial rather than just starting to take away all the things you love. You found a really good replacement that solved problems.

Ryan: To me the way I look at it is if I eat the bar I’m paying a price. And there’s going to be some type of sacrifice. I’m paying in what is going to burn in my body and it’s not going to give me what I need. And what I need right now is an easier protocol. I would rather my life be easy than to eat that bar.

Maggie: And then other people would be like, “Eating bars makes my life easier.” And I think that’s just what it comes down to. You have to be able to identify in your journey when it’s time to up-level something, when it’s time to make – I talk to my clients about this all the time. We don’t want to start with what we would think would be perfect. We want to start where we’re at and then we want to just move forward and tweak things from there.

Ryan: Yeah. I mean if you have 50 pounds to lose you can probably get away with eating chips and bars.

Maggie: Even if you had four pounds to lose you could get away with eating chips and bars. It just gets to a point where all of a sudden you’re like, “Alright, if I eat it, I’m going to want more, and more, and more. And then I’m going to have to be manage all these urges.” I don’t really want to manage the urges. And I know that they are – they do get brought about by eating specific types of foods. And for each person that’s going to be different. For some people they’d be like – for me, this is how you know it’s different. I would never eat more than one bar ever.

It doesn’t matter that they’re made of the exact same things. Doesn’t matter that we’re married and we live in the same house. I would never do that because it’s just – it’s not a problem. I eat a bar. I think they’re great to make you satiated and whatever, not a problem. But for someone else you’re like, “No, I love them so much.” For me they tend to create urges where I could eat five or six of them. And that just shows you that we’re all so different. And so, your tweaks are going to look different than my tweaks because we’re all on our own individual journey.

Ryan: However, you do it I think the overall goal is – what I’m striving for is to reduce the urges. I have reduced them by 95%.

Maggie: Well, and in order to do that you need to identify what creates urges for you. Yeah.

Ryan: Yeah. What creates urges for you?

Maggie: I think keto treats can be, but it’s going to be different.

Ryan: I know. I’m asking for you specifically. What creates urges for you?

Maggie: I mean, what do you mean, like keto chocolate?

Ryan: I’m just curious.

Maggie: Can be something that I never really feel like I can get enough of?

Ryan: Those almonds, right?

Maggie: Those almonds, yeah. Where it’s just you have to identify, is it helpful or is it hurting? Because at the end of the day you’d get to choose what you want to manage your brain around. And like you said, you’re like, “I want to have an easier time. I’m doing this as a gift to myself so that I can have less suffering mentally.”

Ryan: It makes it so much easier to not eat the Scooby Snacks and all that shit when I look at it that way.

Maggie: Yeah. But isn’t that interesting though because all that changed was just your thinking about it. Whereas just before it was like that’s so delicious, I can’t help myself, I need some.

Ryan: All the physical urges have gone down. It’s not just thinking. The physical reaction is completely different to the food that I’m eating.

Maggie: But your thinking absolutely is assisting in that. You’ve completely changed the reason why, why you’re doing it or not doing stuff.

Ryan: Yeah. And almost no urges to eat those snacks anymore. And I know we talked about this even just a week or two ago. Those kid’s snacks, I opened the pantry and it was a problem and now it’s just not.

Maggie: And I do think it’s fascinating.

Ryan: It is.

Maggie: Again, I’m not a scientist. But I also got to the point where I was like I need to keep things a little bit tighter. And since then, I haven’t had urges either. And I haven’t completely changed what I’m eating. So, I do think the power of your brain and reasons, really solid reasons do affect it. However, it’s important for you as a listener of this podcast to figure out what are the things that I notice patterns with that are creating time and time again, proving to be there’s a track record here of when I eat this thing it’s never enough.

Because I’m sure we all have something like that that’s like it’s never enough. You may just not want to eat that thing because if you can really look at it objectively you can just really make the decision this just isn’t worth it. I don’t want to be eating an entire bag of this. And yet if I eat one serving I want so much more. And it’s not coming from a place of restricting yourself. It’s coming from a place of if I do this then this happens. Do I want to keep creating that for myself?

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So, I think it’s all in how you look at it. And when you have good enough reasons for something you’d be shocked at how desire goes down. I think that’s a huge thing that we’re talking about. The desire that you have can be deconditioned. And one of the main ways that you can decondition it is by having a completely new perspective. It’s like again, Tony, dude, when someone tried to quit smoking my whole life, and they got a cancer diagnosis, quit that day. Suddenly the desirability of smoking became completely undesirable because of the result that it had created.

I think we underestimate the power of our brain. I am in not in any way saying that nutritional value of stuff doesn’t matter. We were talking about this a little bit earlier, that I think the ideal goal when you’re changing your health and changing your way of eating is that you start where you’re at and you slowly make changes to get to a place where nutrition matters more. Energy that you get from the food you’re eating, matters more. All that stuff in time I think matters more.

I think we do ourselves a disservice trying to go from eating absolute crap to absolute clean Mediterranean diet, whatever diet we choose. And we try to make that enormous jump and that’s what makes it so uncomfortable whereas like we talked about a couple of weeks ago. I’m going to stop with the chips for two weeks. I’m going to reduce this. I’m going to add this. Where I just think a process like that is so much less painful than starting tomorrow I eat no junk.

And it’s interesting. I mean how long have you been working on a healthy lifestyle that suddenly you’re like, “You know, I really think now is the time to prioritize protein”, a long time.

Ryan: A long time.

Maggie: At least four years and probably other periods throughout your life when you had tried to lose weight and stuff. But at least through the period that once I went keto and we’ve been on this health journey.

Ryan: It’s crazy how long you could be doing this stuff and still kind of learning.

Maggie: I think you’re always learning. I think that the sooner people can accept that you’re always learning and adapting to what you’re dealing with and that things will change, I think you’ll feel more peace about it. Because I think what most people want is they want to find the thing that answers all their problems forever. It’s like once I can find the perfect way of eating, whereas I’ve had new health things pop up as of late. And it’s just like, alright, now we go to work to figure out how to solve this. I think that’s just part of life.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah, I do agree, mindset is a huge part of it. It’s kind of hard to dig yourself out of, if you don’t have experience like working on your mindset it can be a little bit debilitating trying to figure it out.

Maggie: Because you’re trying to do your way into your results, which actions do create the results that you have. But most people just try to do, do, do without ever changing the baseline thinking. And that’s why their results don’t stick. You literally had a perspective change. Dude, nothing changed with Doritos. Doritos are Doritos, they are what they are. But hearing someone say something made you go, “That makes total sense. That makes every ounce of sense why I wouldn’t just keep eating like that.”

You started to see it in a completely different light which made the actions follow a lot easier.

Ryan: It’s almost equivalent to wasting money on stupid stuff.

Maggie: Well, especially when you view, I want to get less joy from food and I’d like to just be fueled. I’d like to have the energy. I’d like to feel good. So, then it really does come down to no, that’s actually a waste of my money because I’m not getting full. My goal is to eat and not want to keep eating. Isn’t that our goal? I want to eat and then I want to be done eating.

Ryan: That’s it right there.

Maggie: I don’t want to think about eating. I don’t want to keep eating. I want to eat and I want to be like that was great, I feel great, life is great. That’s what we want from our food but most of us are eating stuff and we’re like, “That was good. I want more. I can’t stop. I am addicted.” That’s the mindset, not knowing that yes, although mindset is important, food is also created for over consumption. So, I think there is a good healthy balance of both. Your mindset has to be in the right place. But we also have to not ignore the fact that food totally has an effect in your body.

Trust me, because it absolutely transformed my life changing my food, I still cannot get over the effect that food has on the way my freaking brain works. I can’t even understand it. So, the whole eat whatever you want and moderate it, calories in, calories out is just I’m sure that’s possible but it sounds like a personal hell for me. I would like to eat the…

Ryan: There’s going to be some fist clenching going on.

Maggie: Yeah, where it’s like you can do it but how much pain are you suffering in regards to urges and this massive, massive over-desire to eat, eat, eat. And I think that is the type of reaction happening in our body when our diet is filled with foods like that. And so, I think the gradual reduction is a good…

Ryan: Shall we talk a little bit about what we’ve been eating the past week? People are probably curious.

Maggie: I mean let’s just talk about one of my favorite things ever which is the Blackstone. This episode is not sponsored by Blackstone, however hit us up if you want to. We love our Blackstone. And so, Ryan has just in the last four days developed a passion for cooking. And he’s like, “I like it because it keeps me busy.” Because it’s kind of a weird time after the kids are home from school and we’ve got to get dinner ready. But we’ve had this Blackstone and it’s been hot as hell outside. So, we haven’t been using it a ton but do you want to tell them what you’ve been making?

Ryan: It’s great, I mean we’ve been cooking a lot of meat, a lot of chicken, chicken breast, chicken thigh. We’ve been cooking steaks. I have consistently been eating a cup of cooked white rice with my meat. I know this is a keto podcast but that’s what I eat. And it takes me through the night really well. My stomach feels different. And I mean I don’t know what more to say about it really. I’ve changed the macronutrient balance that I’m putting in my body. And I’m prioritizing protein and I feel completely different and it’s been easy. That’s really my main priority is how can we make this easy?

Maggie: Yeah, and would you say, I mean you ate a lot of snacky stuff even if it was low carb or sugar free, right, a lot of your diet?

Ryan: Aha.

Maggie: Yeah, much more than I eat.

Ryan: Yeah, I won’t lie.

Maggie: And so, I would be shocked if you didn’t start feeling better just because of the ultra-processed nature of some of the stuff you were eating.

Ryan: If I need a snack here’s what I do, if I’m at a point where I feel like I need a snack this past week, what I’ve done is I’ll slap some deli meat on a place. And I’ll put some pickles on it and I’ll squirt some mustard and sugar free barbecue sauce on top and that’s what I eat. It’s mostly protein. It’s not a snack. You don’t eat it and you’re like, “I want more deli meat.”

Maggie: I know, we were talking about that. I mean I’m not saying steak can’t be good or chicken can’t be good but you’re never like, “I can’t stop eating that chicken, dude. It’s so good.” And trust me, Ryan made some chicken the other night that I was making sounds similar to that. But it’s different. The desire factor is a different type of desire. It’s not this out of control. It’s just like that was so delicious, so good. But not like I don’t know if I can stop eating this chicken. You would never say that.

Ryan will sometimes with sweets and stuff be like, “Get it out of the house, just get it out.” You would never be like, “Get that chicken out of here, just get it, if I see it I’m going to eat it all.” It’s just different.

Ryan: It’s not saying chicken isn’t good. I made it really good.

Maggie: Totally, it’s not like you should be eating bland food. But the question does get created, how much pleasure, and I want you guys to ask yourself this. How much pleasure out of, let’s say you have a pleasure wheel in your life, what percentage of pleasure would you like to be getting out of food? And I don’t have a right answer for you. All I want to say is that in time my goal was to make my life more exciting than food. I just wanted to make my life more exciting than food because I came from a place where it was like I hated my job, I hated everything in my life.

And food was the only way I could feel good. And you can never get enough of what you don’t need. So, I just kept eating, and eating, and eating. And it didn’t do anything for me and it didn’t create real joy. But it was where I seeked this false pleasure, this pleasure that’s not true and lasting and making a difference in the world. And in time I got to a place where I was able to say my life is more exciting than food. And I think, I don’t know, I don’t know.

I just want to put that out there for anyone who really is, “Oh man.” Because I do teach that it’s important to love your food. I do think it’s important to plan food that you want to eat and that tastes good. But at what point is it like my life is not about food? I’m doing other things in the world. I’m doing other things even if it’s just your individual world, in your family, in your job, in your relationships, that there’s just more, more than food. So, I think you want to ask yourself that question, how much of my life.

And there are some people that I think they love food. And they’re foodies. And they’re like, “I want to try all the food, I want to eat all the food everywhere.” But I don’t think that’s everybody. I think that’s a smaller group of people than you’d like to believe. You’ve got to ask yourself, is this a false pleasure issue? Is this an issue of I think this is joy. I think eating is joy. And I want you to kind of question yourself on that.

And ask yourself if you’re happy with the amount of pleasure and desire that you’re using for food. And what that can look like is being just really obsessed about what you’re going to eat, what’s the next thing you’re going to eat. Food, food, food, eat, eat, eat, and trust me, that is exactly the place that I came from. So, I know that place very well. Just vacations, what are we going to eat? What are we going to eat next? What’s next? What’s next?

And that thinking can still come up for me. It’s not something that’s completely gone. But it used to be the state that I lived my life in which was just food will be the highlight of this. Food is as good as it gets around here. What’s the food? When are we eating food? So, something to think about.

Ryan: Definitely something to think about.

Maggie: Because it feels really good to fuel your body to the point where you’re like, “That was delicious. That was satiating and I feel good.” And if you don’t feel that way after you eat you may want to get a little bit more well acquainted with your body and paying attention and being conscious in that process because I think it’s worth it to find a way to eat that makes you actually feel good. I believe there is a huge difference between eating to lose weight and eating to feel healthy. They can be two completely different things.

Just because you can lose a ton of weight eating a bunch of shit doesn’t mean that you’re going to feel like your quality of life is going to get better. You may weigh less but you may feel terrible. You may still have terrible energy, getting headaches all the time, just feeling crap, versus can we do both? Is it possible to really feel like you’re fueling yourself and lose weight?

But also feel like your health is improving and not just like, “Cool, I can eat Taco Bell every single day and look, nothing happens, I’m losing weight. I’m still healthy weight”, whatever. But how do you feel? And if you feel great then I’m happy for you, that’s awesome.

Ryan: There’s just nothing I really value more than my protocol feeling easy. That’s the top of my list.

Maggie: It should be at the top of everybody’s list. But then that’s the thing. To me I’m like it should be the top of everybody’s list because how much do you want to be thinking about food? But what I want to offer there is that some people don’t know any different than thinking about food all the time. So, then the question becomes, if I’m not thinking about food all the time, what’s left? And then the answer to that question is your life and a lot of stuff that you may have been ignoring because you’ve been focusing on food.

And it may be time to finally address your life and what needs to change. And I think a lot of people can use weight loss and food as a buffer against seeing the reality of what’s going on. So, it seems black and white to me to be like, you don’t want to be thinking about food all day.

But then what’s left, if you’re not thinking about and hyper focusing on food then you’re left with the other shit that remains, what you think about your husband, what you think about your job, what you think about your kids, what you think about the world. All of that becomes much louder when you’re not constantly stuffing it with what’s for lunch. So be aware of that as well. It doesn’t necessarily just get immediately better, especially with the mindset side of things.

That’s why I’m so passionate in teaching that to my clients because it’s so important to be managing your brain and knowing what you’re thinking, so that you have the tools to like when food doesn’t become number one in your life, when it doesn’t become the number one focus. So that you know what to do with what remains and the willingness to stop lying to yourself and using food as a block or a deterrent from what actually is existing in your life. Food is an interesting tool for good and evil.

Ryan: Yeah, it’s a necessity unfortunately.

Maggie: So yeah, look in your life, figure out where you want to do some tweaks and some small shifts. And hopefully some of this information, you may find a place in your life where you’re like, “You know, I think I’m ready to up-level this specific part. I think I’m ready to swap out that snack for something a little bit more nutritious.” I think looking for more nutrient density in any aspect of your protocol is never a bad decision.

Ryan: Eat more protein.

Maggie: Eat more protein.

Ryan: And if you think you’re eating enough you’re probably not.

Maggie: Yeah.

Ryan: That’s what I think.

Maggie: Alright, see you guys next week.

Ryan: See you.

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